Project Ford 5000

[AJR75]

Recently purchased a Ford 5000 as a bit of a project tractor. A nostalgic purchase if you will, with it being one of the first machines I drove.

Anyway, said tractor has a few issues that I'll be working through over the coming weeks/ months. It's pretty straight and tidy so not planning on a full restoration, more making it mechanically sound and enjoying using it for a few fair weather jobs.

One particular issue that it has is that it is jammed solid in 1st gear an I mean literally rock solid. Have had the lid off and tried to prise it out of gear but it's not budging at all. Range select freely and when jacked up the rear wheels turn freely etc.

Happy enough to get stuck into pulling the thing to bits but before I do, has anyone come across this before/ point me in the direction of what the issue could be?

Many thanks

 

[Kevtherev]

Clutch is stuck to flywheel I would think.
Drive her about carefully in high gear.

 

[spin cycle]

Recently purchased a Ford 5000 as a bit of a project tractor. A nostalgic purchase if you will, with it being one of the first machines I drove.

Anyway, said tractor has a few issues that I'll be working through over the coming weeks/ months. It's pretty straight and tidy so not planning on a full restoration, more making it mechanically sound and enjoying using it for a few fair weather jobs.

One particular issue that it has is that it is jammed solid in 1st gear an I mean literally rock solid. Have had the lid off and tried to prise it out of gear but it's not budging at all. Range select freely and when jacked up the rear wheels turn freely etc.

Happy enough to get stuck into pulling the thing to bits but before I do, has anyone come across this before/ point me in the direction of what the issue could be?

Many thanks


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one of the first tractors i drove but i wouldn't feel 'nostalgic' about the horrible cold noisy things

 

[Bury the Trash]

Noise probably why ive got roaring tinnitus now the first tractor i bought with the Ford "deluxe" cab .

 

[agrimax]

Clutch is stuck to flywheel I would think.
Drive her about carefully in high gear.

No can do when it's stuck in 1st gear...

 

[ford 7810]

There a lovely tractor on a nice day with a job that suit them with no cab on put a cab on and there horrible noisy things. ours once broke the selector between second and reverse, it could be that kind of thing I replaced it myself, but had to split the tractor between the gearbox and rear axle, but I’ve never been any deeper in one.

 

[ford 7810]

She looks a fairly straight old workhorse it must be a later one as somebody has extended the clutch pedal. We’ve done the same with ours.

 

[Oliveau]

If you can’t prise it out of gear I fear that you will need to strip the gearbox to investigate. It’s more often that 2nd/reverse plays up.

 

[Blue.]

Ours stuck in 2nd but it was just the case of lifting the lid off and clicking it out,I’ve a fondness for them, I spent near 15 years driving one,the clang of the clutch pedal will stay with me forever.

 

[AJR75]

Thanks all for the replies- if there is interest I'll keep posting progress pictures as I work my way through it. Currently sat outside waiting for me to get my kit into the workshop and I can start the process (we've recently moved premises so a lot of upheaval).

@Kevtherev if the clutch plate is stuck to the flywheel that wouldn't stop you enagaging/ disengaging gears with the engine off would it?

@Oliveau I think you may well be right about delving a bit deeper- those boxes aren't particularly complicated so it would be an opportune time to get in amongst things and swap out bearings etc I would think.

 

[ford 7810]

Thanks all for the replies- if there is interest I'll keep posting progress pictures as I work my way through it. Currently sat outside waiting for me to get my kit into the workshop and I can start the process (we've recently moved premises so a lot of upheaval).

@Kevtherev if the clutch plate is stuck to the flywheel that wouldn't stop you enagaging/ disengaging gears with the engine off would it?

@Oliveau I think you may well be right about delving a bit deeper- those boxes aren't particularly complicated so it would be an opportune time to get in amongst things and swap out bearings etc I would think.

Yes, keep us informed. WIH pictures will help you when we can.

 

[Kevtherev]

Thanks all for the replies- if there is interest I'll keep posting progress pictures as I work my way through it. Currently sat outside waiting for me to get my kit into the workshop and I can start the process (we've recently moved premises so a lot of upheaval).

@Kevtherev if the clutch plate is stuck to the flywheel that wouldn't stop you enagaging/ disengaging gears with the engine off would it?

@Oliveau I think you may well be right about delving a bit deeper- those boxes aren't particularly complicated so it would be an opportune time to get in amongst things and swap out bearings etc I would think.

If the clutch is stuck you wouldn’t be able to get it in gear with engine running. it may be a problem in gearbox did everything look ok when you took lid off?

 

[AJR75]

If the clutch is stuck you wouldn’t be able to get it in gear with engine running. it may be a problem in gearbox did everything look ok when you took lid off?

Yes, cioiuldn't see anything untoward when the lid came off. Will have to delve a bit deeper and see what's happening in there.

 

[db9go]

Clutch is stuck to flywheel I would think.
Drive her about carefully in high gear.

If it is in neutral with the high / low then the clutch is not doing any thing

 

[AJR75]

So, 9 months on and I've finally managed to get stuck into this one. The engine is in a bit of a sorry state as the pics show. Popped the first piston out and the crank is also quite badly scored. Not wholly convinced that the block isn't porous as well being that all around the camshaft/ follower area is a nice silvery grey paste. the sump however is clean enough so it's a 50/50. Just weighing up whether to persevere with this engine or just fit a replacement engine from a 6610 or similar- granted it's not original but money wise it's looking like the cheapest option at the moment...

A short motor is circa 2-2.5K, plus the head refurbishment, engine kit, liners, machining of crank etc would come in similar....

The gearbox issue- putting a spanner on the front of the crank revealed a little bit of backward and forward motion, and this allowed the selector to literally fall out of gear. Unfortunately the speed box is jammed solid somewhere so next job is to be draining the oil and see what can be seen down in there.

 

[ford 7810]

So, 9 months on and I've finally managed to get stuck into this one. The engine is in a bit of a sorry state as the pics show. Popped the first piston out and the crank is also quite badly scored. Not wholly convinced that the block isn't porous as well being that all around the camshaft/ follower area is a nice silvery grey paste. the sump however is clean enough so it's a 50/50. Just weighing up whether to persevere with this engine or just fit a replacement engine from a 6610 or similar- granted it's not original but money wise it's looking like the cheapest option at the moment...

A short motor is circa 2-2.5K, plus the head refurbishment, engine kit, liners, machining of crank etc would come in similar....

The gearbox issue- putting a spanner on the front of the crank revealed a little bit of backward and forward motion, and this allowed the selector to literally fall out of gear. Unfortunately the speed box is jammed solid somewhere so next job is to be draining the oil and see what can be seen down in there.

Leave sump off put cylinder head back on and pressurise it to see if or were porous . keep it original If you can, if you can’t they look a lot better with a flat block.

 

[AJR75]

Leave sump off put cylinder head back on and pressurise it to see if or were porous . keep it original If you can, if you can’t they look a lot better with a flat block.

Assume you'd pressurise the water side?

 

[ford 7810]

Assume you'd pressurise the water side?

Yes either air or water you will hear it or see it, if there is nothing obvious put a pressure gauge into the water jacket somewhere antifreeze drain tap and leave it for a day or two, but you will need to be sure you have a good head gasket on for that not just the old one

 

[ford 7810]

ford dealer mechanic told me when I was doing a 5000 up to put a bigger engine oil pump in the one out of the 7000 or later 6610. 7610 it has more capacity quantity not pressure.

 

[colhonk]

Assume you'd pressurise the water side?

My Ford 655c digger block was along the main oil feed channel that went porous, pumping oil into water. No water in oil but -rad full of oil.
That was in the early 90`s, at only 4 year old.