Oats as a cover crop ?

ajd132

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Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
Nitrogen fixing oats? That's a new one on me, and I don't believe it. Not all N fixers are legumes, but I'd bet a fair bit of money there aren't any grasses that do it.
There is a grass that can fix N, it grows on sand dunes. I don't know what it's called or why I know this though. I think someone was trying to breed it into wheat or something along those lines.
 

BSH

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Found this which is interesting:

Many microorganisms fix nitrogen, often in association with plants: cyanobacteria associated with lichens, the water fern Azolla (in rice fields), and cycads; Rhizobium species in symbiotic relationship with legumes, Frankia, the filamentous actinomycetes bacteria that form nodules with the roots of woody actinorhizal plants such as alder (Alnus species), and sea buckthorn (Hippophae rhamnoides).

Free living cyanobacteria also fix nitrogen, and are mainly responsible for the nitrogen fixed at sea [17]. In the soil, many heterotrophic bacteria (those that depend on oxidising organic molecules released by other organisms or from decomposition) fix significant amounts of nitrogen without directly interacting with other organisms. These include species of Azotobacter, Bacillus,Clostridium, and Klebsiella [18]. A study in Australia of an intensive wheat rotation farming system showed that free-living microorganisms contributed 20 kg/ha /year (30-50 %) of the cropping system’s nitrogen requirements [19] (the rest could be supplied by decomposing organic matter in the soil). The maintenance of wheat stubble and reduced tillage provided the high-carbon, low nitrogen environment that optimizes nitrogen fixation. Azospirillum species can form close associations with Paoceae grasses that include rice, wheat, corn, oats and barley, fixing substantial amounts of nitrogen within the plant root zone, where oxygen is low and host plants can provide organic substrates exuded from the roots to feed the bacteria [20].
 

nxy

Member
Mixed Farmer
Does anybody know if black oats can be sown the year of production? I have a few tonnes we combined last week, can I use the seed this autumn or are they a true spring crop with dormancy issues?
 

snowhite

Member
Location
BRETAGHNE
Does anybody know if black oats can be sown the year of production? I have a few tonnes we combined last week, can I use the seed this autumn or are they a true spring crop with dormancy issues?
the seed guy that we get a mix of puts this years black oats in for us sow in oct to cut for silage next year , if that is any help @nxy
have not seen you on with a while
 

Chris W

Member
Arable Farmer
Any more experience of using oats in a cover crop in front of sugar beet?

Mix will be approx 6kg/ha pring Oats, 3kg/ha Spring Vetch, 3kg/ha Spring Linseed.

Planned spring cultivations in front of the drill just involve a powerharrow 1-1.5” deep.

Am I likely to experience any negative (allelopathic) type effects?
 

martian

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BASE UK Member
Location
N Herts
Any more experience of using oats in a cover crop in front of sugar beet?

Mix will be approx 6kg/ha pring Oats, 3kg/ha Spring Vetch, 3kg/ha Spring Linseed.

Planned spring cultivations in front of the drill just involve a powerharrow 1-1.5” deep.

Am I likely to experience any negative (allelopathic) type effects?
If the oats get away well now, they'll probably be flowering by the time frosts come along and the cold should kill them...there shouldn't be much left by the time you get there with the powerharrow, with no allelopathic worries. If it's a mild winter, bets are off, but at 6kg/ha sowing rate it won't be a jungle
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
Any more experience of using oats in a cover crop in front of sugar beet?

Mix will be approx 6kg/ha pring Oats, 3kg/ha Spring Vetch, 3kg/ha Spring Linseed.

Planned spring cultivations in front of the drill just involve a powerharrow 1-1.5” deep.

Am I likely to experience any negative (allelopathic) type effects?

If the oats get away well now, they'll probably be flowering by the time frosts come along and the cold should kill them...there shouldn't be much left by the time you get there with the powerharrow, with no allelopathic worries. If it's a mild winter, bets are off, but at 6kg/ha sowing rate it won't be a jungle
I’d hope he gets glyphosate applied by mid late January so the cover is dead and rotted away before the power harrow gets in the field. Clopyralid will tidy up any vetch survivor.
 

L P

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Arable Farmer
Location
Newbury
Any more experience of using oats in a cover crop in front of sugar beet?

Mix will be approx 6kg/ha pring Oats, 3kg/ha Spring Vetch, 3kg/ha Spring Linseed.

Planned spring cultivations in front of the drill just involve a powerharrow 1-1.5” deep.

Am I likely to experience any negative (allelopathic) type effects?
2 oat plants to a m2? Sure its not 60kg of oats?
 

Chris W

Member
Arable Farmer
2 oat plants to a m2? Sure its not 60kg of oats?
I hadn’t worked out a plant count to be honest, most of the seed suppliers were recommending around 25-30kg/ha for a Oats/Vetch mix, I don’t want a particularly thick stand so thought I would halve it and add some Linseed.

I could try a couple of different seed rates this year and see how it goes.
 

L P

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Newbury
I hadn’t worked out a plant count to be honest, most of the seed suppliers were recommending around 25-30kg/ha for a Oats/Vetch mix, I don’t want a particularly thick stand so thought I would halve it and add some Linseed.

I could try a couple of different seed rates this year and see how it goes.
At that little oat population I'd not bother adding them. They are dirt cheap by comparison and give a very good root growth.
 

Humble Village Farmer

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BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
At that little oat population I'd not bother adding them. They are dirt cheap by comparison and give a very good root growth.
You'd be surprised at what they will do even at that rate.

30kg of spring oats will grow a massive cover crop. Divide by the number of species in the mix to get the component rate.
 

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