Oats as a cover crop ?

[Great In Grass]

How closely related are black oats to wild oats?

They both originate from the Avena genus, Black Oats (A. strigosa) and wild oat (A. fatua). The farmed common oat is (Avena sativa).

 

[Great In Grass]

Also I can't really find anything to choose between oil radish and tillage radish, but do worry about the decomposition of a thick tillage radish in a direct drilling situation.

Lastly the cereal content, oats looks like the prefered option in black grass suppression but is back oats worth £1,50 /kg instead of just spring oats, the other option is rye which I think may harbour more problems going into a following spring cereal

Daikon Radish (Tillage Radish is a registered European trade marked name) breaks down very easily and during that period worms seem to be attracted to the plant which helps accelerate decomposition further, you will be drilling into a "mush".

Daikon = Large tuber small leaf, a pan buster, fodder/oil radish = small tuber large leaf.

Black Oats not quite that expensive.

 

[BSH]

I have drilled spring oats into an oat cover crop that was sprayed off a few days before in mid april. The following oats were unaffected by any allelopathy or anything else and look very clean.

 

[dontknowanything]

so we are not talking about the same oats , i might be able look up the name in french ,

Nitrogen fixing oats? That's a new one on me, and I don't believe it. Not all N fixers are legumes, but I'd bet a fair bit of money there aren't any grasses that do it.

 

[dontknowanything]

I'm no fan of oats in cover crops

BUT

how about using FFS spring oats seed ahead of a spring oat crop ? should the allelopathy be inconsequential as cash crop is favoured by dead cover crop ? will the cover crop build the right spectrums of fungi / bacteria to help the cash crop oats get away fast ?

how early would spring oats frost kill ?

anyone done this successfully ?

plants can definitely have an allelopathic affect on their own seeds, see black grass for an example.

 

[snowhite]

Nitrogen fixing oats? That's a new one on me, and I don't believe it. Not all N fixers are legumes, but I'd bet a fair bit of money there aren't any grasses that do it.

evergreen is what it is called

 

[snowhite]

this is the stuf sorry it is in french http://bovins-viande.reussir.fr/act...ploide-un-couvert-sud-americain:C2625PRJ.html

 

[dontknowanything]

evergreen is what it is called

do you mean Stipa gigantea/Golden oats? Not N fixing as far as I can see.

 

[Great In Grass]

this is the stuf sorry it is in french http://bovins-viande.reussir.fr/act...ploide-un-couvert-sud-americain:C2625PRJ.html

That's Black/Bristle Oats

 

[snowhite]

That's Black/Bristle Oats

if you say so, as i did not know of anything like that before i moved to here

 

[Tim May]

I don't get why you'd want to plant spring oats in the winter and then plant spring oats again. Why not plant winter oats as early as you dare with some companion seeds too if you like then graze the whole lot a few times over the winter treating the winter crop like a cover crop not a cash crop. then come the spring if it looks clean enough just take out the broad leaves and let it grow as a crop. If there are any bad patches of blackgrass ect. take them out with round up and stitch in spring oats in those places. Only one lot of drilling that way and you'd still get most of the benefits of a cover crop which are in the root growth not the top growth.

 

[dontknowanything]

I don't get why you'd want to plant spring oats in the winter and then plant spring oats again.

Fear of animals.

 

[Tim May]

I've been speaking to a load of potential share farmers over the last couple of days who could address that in a second

 

[dontknowanything]

I've been speaking to a load of potential share farmers over the last couple of days who could address that in a second

Any from my area?

 

[Hampton]

They both originate from the Avena genus, Black Oats (A. strigosa) and wild oat (A. fatua). The farmed common oat is (Avena sativa).

Only spring wild oats are avena fatua, winter ones are avena ludoviciana.

 

[Tim May]

Any from my area?

nope but I'm sure they are out there, once you start looking.

 

[Clive]

I don't get why you'd want to plant spring oats in the winter and then plant spring oats again. Why not plant winter oats as early as you dare with some companion seeds too if you like then graze the whole lot a few times over the winter treating the winter crop like a cover crop not a cash crop. then come the spring if it looks clean enough just take out the broad leaves and let it grow as a crop. If there are any bad patches of blackgrass ect. take them out with round up and stitch in spring oats in those places. Only one lot of drilling that way and you'd still get most of the benefits of a cover crop which are in the root growth not the top growth.

Broome - BG not a problem for me but Broome can be

Only grew winter oats once and there was more Broome in them than oats with no in crop control options

Spring oats also yield well here and are very cheap to grow

 

[Pedders]

Spring oats also yield well here and are very cheap to grow

just not worth anything !

 

[Louis Mc]

just not worth anything !

Good for next years cover crop seed if nothing else

 

[Clive]

just not worth anything !

not the best margin, you have to grow them cheap to have any chance of making anything actually sold locally for 120 harvest so a bit better than this in reality