Brexit is destroying Britain

[yin ewe]

And where is it going?

The point is not where it's going but the fact that it's in the EU in the first place.

 

[its yourself]

Nah a cooperation agreement suffices.

Not really.
Especially as you don't get official notifications on dodgy food.

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

More confirmation that the number of people who may consider supporting a rejoin campaign is on a downward trajectory. That’s why it’s not part of the mainstream political agenda

Table 4: Current Brexit preference by 2016 EU referendum vote by evaluations of the impact of Brexit on Britain’s control of its own affairs, October and December 2023

	October 2023			December 2023
	More	Same	Less	More	Same	Less
	%	%	%	%	%	%
Remain voters
Re-join	70	80	88	63	82	92
Stay out	23	13	6	32	12	5
Leave voters
Re-join	9	23	59	11	19	39
Stay out	87	64	38	85	71	51
Non-voters
Re-join	54	50	64	48	50	65
Stay out	30	13	18	42	25

Two implications follow.

First, it is far from certain that another referendum would produce a majority for re-joining. Despite widespread doubts about the benefits of Brexit, the anti-Brexit lead in the polls is not that large, differs between polling companies, and is far from invulnerable.

Second, much might rest in any referendum on the preferences of those who reckon Brexit has not made much difference. Seemingly many of them could yet decide it would be better for Britain to make the best of the bed it has now made for itself rather than pursuing the uncertain prospect of trying to reclaim its old one.

By John Curtice, Senior Fellow, UK in a Changing Europe, Senior Research Fellow, National Centre for Social Research, and Professor of Politics, University of Strathclyde.

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

No doubt John Curtice will join Alastair Campbell, Peter Mandleson and many others on the naughty step

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

For people who have some analytical ability it’s clear why applying to join. the EU would be very bad for the UK

1. Will the EU have us back? The EU’s position is likely to be that firstly it doesn’t want the hassle and secondly, it would only do so if it was “the UK’s settled political will” and there’s no evidence that exists. So the short answer is no. Then there are a series of questions currently no one is asking, but would have to be asked.
2. Rejoining would certainly mean an end to the UK rebate, which was about 6.3bn a year, that added to what would be the current contribution of about 15bn would take the cost of rejoining to circa 21bn/yr
3. Rejoining would mean no more veto’s to the likes of the social chapter
4. Being forced to join the Euro
5. Being forced in Schengen which would remove UK border controls with France and allow a flood of what are currently illegal migrant asylum seekers.
6. The EU has moved towards pooled debt, and that could put the UK on the hook for huge liabilities. These currently would be more than the NHS budget

There are a number of other elements, but faced with those questions and costs and social costs of mass asylum seeker migration, the answer from the public would be “no thanks”

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

One of the (many) things the rejoiners ignore is that in reality any application from the UK to join the EU in the future will simply be vetoed by multiple member states, for a generation or two at least. The rest of the EU, once the initial shock wore off, has now come to appreciate Brexit and the absence of the British.

We never fitted in and never would.

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

So, ex pats stop wasting time on pipe dreams

 

[its yourself]

More confirmation that the number of people who may consider supporting a rejoin campaign is on a downward trajectory. That’s why it’s not part of the mainstream political agenda

Table 4: Current Brexit preference by 2016 EU referendum vote by evaluations of the impact of Brexit on Britain’s control of its own affairs, October and December 2023

	October 2023			December 2023
	More	Same	Less	More	Same	Less
	%	%	%	%	%	%
Remain voters
Re-join	70	80	88	63	82	92
Stay out	23	13	6	32	12	5
Leave voters
Re-join	9	23	59	11	19	39
Stay out	87	64	38	85	71	51
Non-voters
Re-join	54	50	64	48	50	65
Stay out	30	13	18	42	25

Two implications follow.

First, it is far from certain that another referendum would produce a majority for re-joining. Despite widespread doubts about the benefits of Brexit, the anti-Brexit lead in the polls is not that large, differs between polling companies, and is far from invulnerable.

Second, much might rest in any referendum on the preferences of those who reckon Brexit has not made much difference. Seemingly many of them could yet decide it would be better for Britain to make the best of the bed it has now made for itself rather than pursuing the uncertain prospect of trying to reclaim its old one.

By John Curtice, Senior Fellow, UK in a Changing Europe, Senior Research Fellow, National Centre for Social Research, and Professor of Politics, University of Strathclyde.

I'm glad to see people are back to talking about brexit again.
Was it yesterday they'd all stopped?

 

[its yourself]

So, ex pats stop wasting time on pipe dreams

I'm an immigrant.
Brexiters treated my wife and kids as immigrants in the UK even though they had citizenship.
Please get your terms right.
Only brexiters are expats. Gin swilling visitors.

 

[its yourself]

One of the (many) things the rejoiners ignore is that in reality any application from the UK to join the EU in the future will simply be vetoed by multiple member states, for a generation or two at least. The rest of the EU, once the initial shock wore off, has now come to appreciate Brexit and the absence of the British.

We never fitted in and never would.

The problem with that is the UK has to rejoin to fix the economy.
So what will it have to offer the EU and member states to avoid that scenario?

 

[its yourself]

No doubt John Curtice will join Alastair Campbell, Peter Mandleson and many others on the naughty step

It's fascinating the cherry picking.
Frantically flailing from posting exact opposite opinions from one day to the next.

 

[nivilla1982]

The problem with that is the UK has to rejoin to fix the economy.
So what will it have to offer the EU and member states to avoid that scenario?

And what does the EU have to offer us?

 

[yin ewe]

It's fascinating the cherry picking.
Frantically flailing from posting exact opposite opinions from one day to the next.

Talking of flailing, have you got rid of all the dodgy meat yet?

 

[its yourself]

And what does the EU have to offer us?

A growing economy.

 

[its yourself]

Talking of flailing, have you got rid of all the dodgy meat yet?

I'm considering setting up a shell company to send it to the UK via Dover. No checks to worry about.
(Sarcasm)

 

[yin ewe]

I'm considering setting up a shell company to send it to the UK via Dover. No checks to worry about.
(Sarcasm)

That's a no then?

 

[its yourself]

This looks fun

Britons Finally Taste Full Brexit as Costly Border Checks Begin

EU food imports to the UK are about to get more expensive and complicated as the British government implements the Brexit deal.

www.bloomberg.com

Wonder how much crap people can get into the UK before October?

 

[its yourself]

That's a no then?

Sarcasm is beyond your understanding isn't it

 

[yin ewe]

Sarcasm is beyond your understanding isn't it

You only use sarcasm when you've been shown to be wrong. Again.

 

[its yourself]

You only use sarcasm when you've been shown to be wrong. Again.

Oh dear.
Shall we look at the UK government announcement again?