Cheapest NUM3 Legume Fallow Seed

[Humble Village Farmer]

I see , so our mix mix @ 7 kgs H works out at £19.50 Hec , your mix sounds a tad dear

Which of your mixes are you referring to?

 

[bobk]

I see , so our mix mix @ 7 kgs H works out at £19.50 Hec , your mix sounds a tad dear

What's in your mix

 

[L P]

The whole ethos of it is flexible so we can make it work on our farm, not be dictated to by someone from an office who may or may not know anything about the practicalities.

That's good, my mix isn't growing. 50% birdseye, 10% aldi, 20% sainsburys own, 2%kp salted nuts, derogation on anchor for clover as there's a shortage of clover. Literally nothing has grown.

 

[L P]

To be honest, I have had really good ground cover with 1kg of red and one of white.

The salesman I was talking to today said "You need around 10kg per ha of clovers". So I went in the middle.

Don't forget they are here to sell and not necessarily for your benefit. Plus they know if you were a proper farmer you would spend £590 per hectare!

2kg/ha should be ample for clover... do your own germ tests is my best advice if you're being told 10kg

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Linseed
Buckwheat
Berseem Clover
Crimson Clover
Phacelia
Vetch

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Red 1.4 kg
Lucerne.35
Sainfoin 2.1
Crimson 2.8
Sweet clover 0.7
Birseme .175
Alsike .35
Black medic 0.175 also called yellow trefoil I found out today.

7kg total per ha plus some vetch which I will drill into it the 2nd spring.

Is that for the 3 year or the Annual
I assume its the longer one

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Linseed
Buckwheat
Berseem Clover
Crimson Clover
Phacelia
Vetch

This is not comparable to the mix I have, which is why it's cheaper.

You don't say what quantities or seedrate.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

This is not comparable to the mix I have, which is why it's cheaper.

You don't say what quantities or seedrate

This is not comparable to the mix I have, which is why it's cheaper.

You don't say what quantities or seedrate.

I said same seed rate as yours for £10 cheaper , Lucerne is veryexpensive seed and dont grow in a lot of situations , Iwould not include it unless its very dryland myself
Most Annual Clovers will self seed if given time and are a lot cheaper than other types

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

I said same seed rate as yours for £10 cheaper , Lucerne is veryexpensive seed and dont grow in a lot of situations , Iwould not include it unless its very dryland myself
Most Annual Clovers will self seed if given time and are a lot cheaper than other types

Of course it's cheaper, it's got cheaper components in it. Linseed, buckwheat and vetch are cheap fillers and hardly suitable for a three year legume fallow. Plus you have picked the 2 cheapest clovers, neither of which are likely to last for 3 years either.

You still don't say what the quantities are.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Of course it's cheaper, it's got cheaper components in it. Linseed, buckwheat and vetch are cheap fillers and hardly suitable for a three year legume fallow. Plus you have picked the 2 cheapest clovers, neither of which are likely to last for 3 years either.

You still don't say what the quantities are.

Crimson will self seed , will last for ever if you let it seed
But to be fair that's the one year legume mix

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Of course it's cheaper, it's got cheaper components in it. Linseed, buckwheat and vetch are cheap fillers and hardly suitable for a three year legume fallow. Plus you have picked the 2 cheapest clovers, neither of which are likely to last for 3 years either.

You still don't say what the quantities are.

Looking at your mix it's about where others are at on price , if you factor in the seed rate as price per kg
My normal seed rate on clovers would be 3 kg acre , but that's into grassland not in a scheme

 

[teslacoils]

Im looking at some mixes for sowing late spring this year. If you could drop the lucerne out of a mix, what would you replace it with? Its for a 3-year option on heavy soil.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Im looking at some mixes for sowing late spring this year. If you could drop the lucerne out of a mix, what would you replace it with? Its for a 3-year option on heavy soil.

White Clover, use a larger leaf , its cheaper and more aggressive

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Im looking at some mixes for sowing late spring this year. If you could drop the lucerne out of a mix, what would you replace it with? Its for a 3-year option on heavy soil.

Red clover does well on high clay soils here.

 

[teslacoils]

Red clover does well on high clay soils here.

yes, i have included plenty of that.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Livestock Farmer , "I want the best and chuck in a extra bag ,I like to put plenty on "
Arable Farmer
How little seed can I get away with and what's the cheapest "
Lol

 

[e3120]

Livestock Farmer , "I want the best and chuck in a extra bag ,I like to put plenty on "
Arable Farmer
How little seed can I get away with and what's the cheapest "
Lol

Fair enough - their desired outcomes are different too.

 

[teslacoils]

Livestock Farmer , "I want the best and chuck in a extra bag ,I like to put plenty on "
Arable Farmer
How little seed can I get away with and what's the cheapest "
Lol

Ill be upping rates ten percent, and aiming to swap out an inappropriate, expensive seed for a more reliable, cheaper one for my soil.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Ill be upping rates ten percent, and aiming to swap out an inappropriate, expensive seed for a more reliable, cheaper one for my soil.

Yes got to match it to your soil , but still can't see why they want to include Lucerne, expensive and difficult to establish at the best of times

 

[AlphaBravoPapaSux]

Annual mix.
Spring vetch, purple vetch, crimson clover, berseem clover, phacelia, linseed.
20kg/ha, £49/ha