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- Lincolnshire
Suppose it depends a lot if they are looking at by tonnage, etc. Either way, its by no means uncommon or unacceptable.
Ban Non stun slaughter
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Suppose it depends a lot if they are looking at by tonnage, etc. Either way, its by no means uncommon or unacceptable.
Exfarmer
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- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
The difference is very very few Jews worry too much about the pre stunning and will not eat non Kosher.
Most muslims will only take Halal but are not too worried about the method used.
both religions insist that the animal must be unharmed and whole before slaughter.
I do not hold with any excuse for not stunning
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Is that opinion or fact?
I would agree that there is no place for un-stunned in the modern world. I believe bans on non-stun have been introduced in regions of the EU, and their decisions held to be acceptable by European courts.
- Location
- Staffordshire Moorlands
AHDBs chef was also doing a demo at the meeting and stated that if you bought lamb from a supermarket and it came from dunbia (as this happens to be where he worked, others will be the same) it will be halal slaughtered.
If these meetings ever come up again, if you've not been, please get along to one. A lot of you will have a surprise.
If these meetings ever come up again, if you've not been, please get along to one. A lot of you will have a surprise.
Exfarmer
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- Bury St Edmunds
The amount of animals killed by either non stun method is about 1% for cattle approx .5 % for either method
it is the sheep trade where 25% is killed by non stun Halal with virtually no schectia. Goats about 7% halal
broiler chickens 9% halal 1% schectia
and finally turkeys 1% schectia
Both methods are identical except for the words used.
a bigger problem may be that quite a large proportion of animals particularly sheep approximately 45% are slaughtered by pre stun halal and many may not be happy to know that the levels of stunning may be very low
it is the sheep trade where 25% is killed by non stun Halal with virtually no schectia. Goats about 7% halal
broiler chickens 9% halal 1% schectia
and finally turkeys 1% schectia
Both methods are identical except for the words used.
a bigger problem may be that quite a large proportion of animals particularly sheep approximately 45% are slaughtered by pre stun halal and many may not be happy to know that the levels of stunning may be very low
- Location
- Staffordshire Moorlands
borderterribles
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- Location
- South Shropshire
Well you wouldn't have to have travelled very far at all to have encountered unlabelled Kosher slaughtered Beef @Tomo23 . Plenty sold from a well known Stoke slaughterhouse.
- Location
- Staffordshire Moorlands
Well you wouldn't have to have travelled very far at all to have encountered unlabelled Kosher slaughtered Beef @Tomo23 . Plenty sold from a well known Stoke slaughterhouse.
10 minutes from me.
Danllan
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- Sir Gar / Carms
I do! I am not in the least bit antisemitic and am a strong supporter of Israel, but that doesn't mean I think the Jewish faith any more rational than Islam, Christianity or that one with the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Kosher slaughter is utterly immoral and should be banned, full stop.
As mentioned already, make it compulsory to label meat with its method of slaughter. I couldn't care less what spells / prayers are chanted over a beast before, after or during its being killed, because they are all boIIocks. But I do want to know how it was killed; more specifically that it wasn't killed in any other than the least stressful and cruel way.
Obviously I don't know, but I think that the vast majority of the general public would agree with this.
Why is it then ?
Danllan
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- Sir Gar / Carms
Because of ignorance of what kosher slaughter involves and / or fear of being accused of antisemitism.
- Location
- South Molton
I have signed
Very much the latter I would think,
For that reason, fat chance of a ban
- Location
- Shropshire
imagine if electricity existed when the bible was written!!!
Danllan
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- Location
- Sir Gar / Carms
It did, but there was no scientific understanding of it back then, nor a real higher power to 'reveal' the truth of it either.
- Location
- Shropshire
Perhaps I should have written “functional electricity”
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- Lincolnshire
The grandparents recalled the pig going a fair distance round the yard with blood gushing out after he’d been stuck. They said it was horrific and the job of a specialist pig sticker man who was also the hedge plasher in this district.
When I was in France in the ‘90’s they’d bang the pigs head with a mallet which I’d say distracted it more than stunned it then cut its throat and caught the blood in a pan to make puddings.
I’d fully agree all animals should be stunned before slaughter. There’s just no need to prolong the agony or cause more suffering than necessary. Any animals we had home killed here during my lifetime were stunned and seemed to be out of it immediately. That’s surely the right way.
It really annoys me that ridiculous religious requirements can usurp plain logic in many aspects of life. Even the moving date of Easter is fairly stupid, messing up the academic term lengths and holiday plans. Why not fix it on the First Sunday of April every year so everybody knows where they stand?
When I was in France in the ‘90’s they’d bang the pigs head with a mallet which I’d say distracted it more than stunned it then cut its throat and caught the blood in a pan to make puddings.
I’d fully agree all animals should be stunned before slaughter. There’s just no need to prolong the agony or cause more suffering than necessary. Any animals we had home killed here during my lifetime were stunned and seemed to be out of it immediately. That’s surely the right way.
It really annoys me that ridiculous religious requirements can usurp plain logic in many aspects of life. Even the moving date of Easter is fairly stupid, messing up the academic term lengths and holiday plans. Why not fix it on the First Sunday of April every year so everybody knows where they stand?
kiwi pom
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- Location
- canterbury NZ
I think we're kidding ourselves a bit with this. Saying everything was/should be stunned perhaps makes people feel better about the job, doesn't make much difference to the animal, it's still very quickly being killed.
If it's banned in the UK/Europe it won't be elsewhere, so you'll just lose another market.
Slightly off topic but I think everyone involved in Livestock farming should visit and be educated about abattoirs/meat processing facilities.
I think we still generally treat animals better than fellow humans around the planet.
If it's banned in the UK/Europe it won't be elsewhere, so you'll just lose another market.
Slightly off topic but I think everyone involved in Livestock farming should visit and be educated about abattoirs/meat processing facilities.
I think we still generally treat animals better than fellow humans around the planet.
GeorgeK
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- Location
- Leicestershire
Make sure the ban covers imports. Nothing is achieved if it's banned here then imported from countries with lower welfare standards.
- Location
- Staffordshire Moorlands
Found these figures that some are quoting. This is an FSA report from 2018. Either things have drastically changed or the AHDBs halal sector manager was telling us porkies because their figures differ vastly.
