This isn't going to end well!

[Charlie Gill]

Would that be 1 to 9 or indeed 9 to 1 ?

I read it that the Palestinians should be grateful because by rights 117000 civilians should be dead if it followed convention. We should be thanking Israel for the restraint.

 

[Vader]

Would that be 1 to 9 or indeed 9 to 1 ?

9 civilians for every 1 military is average according to the UN.

 

[Vader]

It's hardly typical warfare is it? They are bombing the f out of a prison camp where half the inmates are women & kids. The situational/capability difference is off the scale.

Why are they bombing that area?
Is it because hamas is there?
Reuters report today Israeli raids into camps and militants were killed and arrested.
If hamas are hiding and fighting from civilian areas, then sadly civilians will die.
Just like in all wars throughout history.

 

[Vader]

I read it that the Palestinians should be grateful because by rights 117000 civilians should be dead if it followed convention. We should be thanking Israel for the restraint.

Guess it shows they are carefully targeting not just bombing everyone.

 

[Charlie Gill]

Guess it shows they are carefully targeting not just bombing everyone.

That's why they have targeted all the journalists so they themselves can report on how careful they are being.

 

[Charlie Gill]

Oh, and we wouldn't want aid workers reporting home would we?

 

[BrianV]

9 civilians for every 1 military is average according to the UN.

Interested to know how the Israelis identify the killing of Hamas fighters as they don't wear any uniform, I have a feeling it's classed as a Hamas fighter if male between the ages of 16 & 40 & dead regardless of whether they were actually a Hamas fighter.

 

[Henarar]

Spoke to a chap I know today that has been to Israel a few times and has a very good Jewish mate who lives there, his mate said Netanyahu needs shooting.

 

[ollie989898]

It looks as if the Israelis may undertake a retribution attack. This may lead to Iran launching more missiles and drones. The RAF was deployed in support of the US and Jordanian air force Saturday evening to defend Israel. At what point is does the UK Parliament get to debate and vote on this deployment and that that future deployment will have resulted from the Israelis retaliations. In effect is the Knesset now in charge of the RAF? At what point does Jordan take offense at its air space being used by Israeli / US / UK warplanes?

Errr, Jordan likely have radar of their own and contributed to the defence of Israel?

You don't seem to be getting this, do you? This is not an Israel vs the rest of the middle east situation, despite your apparent desire for it to be so. Jordan has been shooting down foreign aggressor drones for many years if you care to search out the facts.

Why are British warplanes flying over Jordan? Errr, because the UK is allied with Jordan and has strong diplomatic ties with them?

Seriously, you guys need to read around the reality of the middle east a bit more and not just rely on Mr Men books.

Iran launches dozens of hostile drones with the deliberate intent of hitting Israel with zero regard for civilian life and you complain Israel smash the Iranian consulate in Syria? You guys are borderline pathological in your thinking now.

 

[ollie989898]

Interested to know how the Israelis identify the killing of Hamas fighters as they don't wear any uniform, I have a feeling it's classed as a Hamas fighter if male between the ages of 16 & 40 & dead regardless of whether they were actually a Hamas fighter.

Come on then Brian, how do you suppose one differentiates between a civilian/non-combatant and an enemy combatant in a warzone? You're quick to comment on these foreign conflicts and know so much, tell us what you know?

 

[Charlie Gill]

Come on then Brian, how do you suppose one differentiates between a civilian/non-combatant and an enemy combatant in a warzone? You're quick to comment on these foreign conflicts and know so much, tell us what you know?

They use AI which gives them something to blame if it goes wrong.

 

[ollie989898]

They use AI which gives them something to blame if it goes wrong.

There I was thinking they just go by the flags the people are waving but using AI seems a far better answer.

 

[Charlie Gill]

There I was thinking they just go by the flags the people are waving but using AI seems a far better answer.

Oh it is, and the algorithm allows for up to 20 civilian casualties per target. It's much better.

 

[BrianV]

Come on then Brian, how do you suppose one differentiates between a civilian/non-combatant and an enemy combatant in a warzone? You're quick to comment on these foreign conflicts and know so much, tell us what you know?

I thought it was if they were young male & move then they are Hamas or near enough!

 

[Hindsight]

As bad as it is, we don't know how many of those were hamas fighters , how many were women and also under 18 are classed as children... so not all toddlers.
Those figures are from hamas.

Israel claims to have killed 13,000 hamas fighters.

UN say average military/civilian casualties in wars in normally 1/9 ratio.
So terrible as it seems, Israel is keeping the ratio well under the normal average in warfare.

Vader. Your typical reply. Just fe.ck off mate. OK

 

[Charlie Gill]

Vader. Your typical reply. Just fe.ck off mate. OK

Does Mr H. know you have signed into his account?

 

[Hindsight]

Errr, Jordan likely have radar of their own and contributed to the defence of Israel?

You don't seem to be getting this, do you? This is not an Israel vs the rest of the middle east situation, despite your apparent desire for it to be so. Jordan has been shooting down foreign aggressor drones for many years if you care to search out the facts.

Why are British warplanes flying over Jordan? Errr, because the UK is allied with Jordan and has strong diplomatic ties with them?

Seriously, you guys need to read around the reality of the middle east a bit more and not just rely on Mr Men books.

Iran launches dozens of hostile drones with the deliberate intent of hitting Israel with zero regard for civilian life and you complain Israel smash the Iranian consulate in Syria? You guys are borderline pathological in your thinking now.

Di.ck. OK

 

[ollie989898]

Di.ck. OK

Yeah, dodging the profanity filter on the forum won't go down well with the mods mate. Grow up and discuss the issues that are mentioned or you're best off signing out.

 

[Vader]

That's why they have targeted all the journalists so they themselves can report on how careful they are being.

Hamas have said how many palistinians have died, not Israel.

 

[Vader]

Vader. Your typical reply. Just fe.ck off mate. OK

It's a terrible thing that's happening, but war is tragic and terrible.
Fighting an enemy in a densely populated area is dangerous to your own troops and so to keep your own casualties down, you bomb and shell enemy positions, which is going to result in civilian casualties if your enemy is fighting from civilian areas.

Do you expect a war with no civilian deaths?