Land use codes, have I got it right?

[farmer92]

Hi all,

I submitted our CS claim end of March (our 1st year in a new agreement) but have had a thought post submitting. We’re putting two parcels into AB6 following this year’s winter wheat crop, obviously to be harvested this summer. My question is, we changed the land use code of these parcels to wheat (AC66) because that’s what they are right now, but because we’ve claimed them as AB6, should they be down as fallow (FA01) instead?

Basically, do we put them down as what they are right now, or what they are going to be?? I didn’t want any confusion when our claim is being checked by RPA.

We have been in CS before and used AB6 but I can’t quite remember how we did it re. land use codes so if somebody could shine some light on it then that would be great!

Thanks!

 

[Huno]

Land Use codes dont matter anymore because they were linked to the BPS claim and for 2024 onwards BPS is no longer linked to the land therefore your Annual CS claim is stand alone and if you say you will be doing AB6 on an area of a parcel then you must do it or not get paid... At least it will be simple without the crazy BPS codes...

 

[farmer92]

Land Use codes dont matter anymore because they were linked to the BPS claim and for 2024 onwards BPS is no longer linked to the land therefore your Annual CS claim is stand alone and if you say you will be doing AB6 on an area of a parcel then you must do it or not get paid... At least it will be simple without the crazy BPS codes...

Thanks for the reply! Seems I was worrying over nothing. I was aware of BPS not being linked anymore but wasn’t sure if our CS claim would still need to match land use codes. I remember being told it was stand alone now I’m thinking about it!

 

[PeterPrestbury]

My understanding is that – although there is no English BPS in 2024, land use codes are still relevant to CS and SFI claims /declarations, and land use needs to be updated online.

The RPA will cross check CS applications against the land use declared for each parcel. If the CS option is not compatible with the declared land use (or land cover) this will generate a conflict on their system, a query to the claimant being raised, and potentially, the CS payments being delayed or reduced.

RPA have published a listing of 2024 land use codes:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rural-payments-land-use-codes-2024

 

[Huno]

My understanding is that – although there is no English BPS in 2024, land use codes are still relevant to CS and SFI claims /declarations, and land use needs to be updated online.

The RPA will cross check CS applications against the land use declared for each parcel. If the CS option is not compatible with the declared land use (or land cover) this will generate a conflict on their system, a query to the claimant being raised, and potentially, the CS payments being delayed or reduced.

RPA have published a listing of 2024 land use codes:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rural-payments-land-use-codes-2024

OMG... dont worry about it.. BPS is gone and delinked pal.. land use codes history.. just fill in your CS claim before 14th May

 

[Huno]

And dont claim CS unless you can deliver the AIMS!!

 

[PeterPrestbury]

From RPA 14th March 2024 Blog:

You have until 11.59pm on Wednesday 15 May 2024 to submit your claim without reduction.

Countryside Stewardship​

Last year we simplified the process for submitting your CS revenue claim online and once again this year you will be able to use this streamlined process.

Before you submit your CS claim, please make sure you have updated your land use codes by signing into the Rural Payments service. If you are unable to access the Rural Payments service, email us at [email protected].

 

[Huno]

My understanding is that – although there is no English BPS in 2024, land use codes are still relevant to CS and SFI claims /declarations, and land use needs to be updated online.

The RPA will cross check CS applications against the land use declared for each parcel. If the CS option is not compatible with the declared land use (or land cover) this will generate a conflict on their system, a query to the claimant being raised, and potentially, the CS payments being delayed or reduced.

RPA have published a listing of 2024 land use codes:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rural-payments-land-use-codes-2024

Just for the record.. it is madness that this link is still available.. if you change your land use you need to call the RPA and fill in an online RLE1 and DO NOT claim CS on that land area.. hope that helps?

 

[PeterPrestbury]

'hope that helps?'
Not really,
I think the link is still available because it is still relevant (although very few of the land use codes have changed from previous years)
Why would RPA publish a blog about it just 6 weeks ago, if it is no longer relevant ?

Land USE - you can update yourself online under Land - Update Land Use
Land COVER - you can either apply online (or call them) to do simple changes (including full field land cover changes) without the need for an RLE1 under Land - Request Land Use Changes:

Register new land
Use this link to map up to 10 unregistered land parcel(s) for the first time. You’ll need to upload any supporting maps. Please have these annotated and saved to your device.
Merge land parcels
Use this link to request a single merge of up to 5 adjacent land parcels. For a merge of more than 5 land parcels please use the 'all other land changes' option.
Full land cover change
Use this link to change the land cover for up to 20 land parcels where the cover is changing from one full land cover to another. For all other land change options please use the ‘all other land changes option’.
All other land changes
Use this link to request more complex land changes for up to 10 land parcels, that is, anything that cannot be requested within the links above. You’ll need to upload any supporting maps. Please have these annotated and saved to your device.

 

[farmer92]

Conflicting advice here!

@Huno can you send me a link to any info on this? I don’t know why there would be a 2024 list of codes if we weren’t supposed to use them? That does seem odd

It’s only one parcel I’m concerned about. I’ve claimed it as AB6 on this years CS claim (first year in new scheme). That’s because it will be AB6 after this year’s wheat harvest, but what land use code should it be right now?? I have it down as AC66 (wheat), which it currently is, or should it be FA01 (fallow) which it WILL be after August?

Or as said previously in the thread, do I not need to worry at all??

 

[B'o'B]

Just for the record.. it is madness that this link is still available.. if you change your land use you need to call the RPA and fill in an online RLE1 and DO NOT claim CS on that land area.. hope that helps?

I don’t think you are entirely right @Huno, my understanding is the same as @PeterPrestbury.
Land use codes are defunct for the tapering BPS payment, but the advice I have been given is that they should still be kept correct with CS options on areas of stewardship or risk potential delays in payment of stewardship money.
For the time it takes to change them through the RPA website (no need for a RLE1 when I did it in March) I would rather make them right for my CS options and get paid on time.

 

[Huno]

Conflicting advice here!

@Huno can you send me a link to any info on this? I don’t know why there would be a 2024 list of codes if we weren’t supposed to use them? That does seem odd

It’s only one parcel I’m concerned about. I’ve claimed it as AB6 on this years CS claim (first year in new scheme). That’s because it will be AB6 after this year’s wheat harvest, but what land use code should it be right now?? I have it down as AC66 (wheat), which it currently is, or should it be FA01 (fallow) which it WILL be after August?

Or as said previously in the thread, do I not need to worry at all??

Dont worry about it.. if your last code was AC66 you are home dry... BPS codes are history but i hate to think what the new RPA codes will be in the summer

 

[Huno]

I don’t think you are entirely right @Huno, my understanding is the same as @PeterPrestbury.
Land use codes are defunct for the tapering BPS payment, but the advice I have been given is that they should still be kept correct with CS options on areas of stewardship or risk potential delays in payment of stewardship money.
For the time it takes to change them through the RPA website (no need for a RLE1 when I did it in March) I would rather make them right for my CS options and get paid on time.

Ok carry on but AC66 is home dry on this case... if in doubt ring the RPA or do an RLE1... if not in doubt just stew in the mess DEFRA have created like the rest of us... keep it real man...

 

[B'o'B]

Dont worry about it.. if your last code was AC66 you are home dry... BPS codes are history but i hate to think what the new RPA codes will be in the summer

BPS is history, land use codes aren’t, it’s just that they aren’t relevant for BPS anymore.

@farmer92 just put the land use correct for your stewardship, it will take 2 mins and keep Mr RPA happy.

 

[B'o'B]

Ok carry on but AC66 is home dry on this case... if in doubt ring the RPA or do an RLE1... if not in doubt just stew in the mess DEFRA have created like the rest of us... keep it real man...

Why on earth are you talking about RLE1 forms?

 

[Huno]

I don’t think you are entirely right @Huno, my understanding is the same as @PeterPrestbury.
Land use codes are defunct for the tapering BPS payment, but the advice I have been given is that they should still be kept correct with CS options on areas of stewardship or risk potential delays in payment of stewardship money.
For the time it takes to change them through the RPA website (no need for a RLE1 when I did it in March) I would rather make them right for my CS options and get paid on time.

Thanks i feel suitably belittled... SFI sucks

 

[Huno]

BPS is history, land use codes aren’t, it’s just that they aren’t relevant for BPS anymore.

@farmer92 just put the land use correct for your stewardship, it will take 2 mins and keep Mr RPA happy.

He already has( not my) mate

 

[Huno]

Why on earth are you talking about RLE1 forms?

 

[B'o'B]

Thanks i feel suitably belittled... SFI sucks

No need to bring SFI into it he’s talking about stewardship.

 

[Huno]

My understanding is that – although there is no English BPS in 2024, land use codes are still relevant to CS and SFI claims /declarations, and land use needs to be updated online.

The RPA will cross check CS applications against the land use declared for each parcel. If the CS option is not compatible with the declared land use (or land cover) this will generate a conflict on their system, a query to the claimant being raised, and potentially, the CS payments being delayed or reduced.

RPA have published a listing of 2024 land use codes:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rural-payments-land-use-codes-2024

Sorry i tried to help Peter... BoB knows best.. i know nothing but if your land is still arable you will be fine.. good luck..