I’m confused?
- Thread starter Pilatus
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Does make you laugh, American logic & Blinken’s diplomatic ability & we’ve seen in Israel how well that works.How can Blinken reprimand China for helping Russia in the Ukraine,when the US have recently announced that they will be supplying more weapons to Ukraine to defend themselves against Russia?
Please explain what I am missing
Devil's advocate
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Ukraine are defending themselvesHow can Blinken reprimand China for helping Russia in the Ukraine,when the US have recently announced that they will be supplying more weapons to Ukraine to defend themselves against Russia?
Please explain what I am missing
Russia made unprovoked attack, breaking internatinal law.
kiwi pom
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I see your confusion but it's very simple playground stuff. America are the 'goodies' and can do and say what they want, Russia, China etc are the 'baddies' and must be destroyed, not completely though, America still needs an enemy, so its weapons industry props the country up, which is why they are not trying to end the current war.How can Blinken reprimand China for helping Russia in the Ukraine,when the US have recently announced that they will be supplying more weapons to Ukraine to defend themselves against Russia?
Please explain what I am missing
The UK are the hero's willing assistant doing what they are told for a share of the limelight and big brothers protection.
The experts will be along soon to put you right and have a pop at me.
Ah I see so when America made up weapons of mass destruction and attacked Iraq for no good reason other than they didn't like the guy in charge, the world should have been on Iraq's side and fought back.
So why didn't we?
Danllan
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You make no sense, if an attack against Iraq on a false premise was wrong, it can't be argued that one against Ukraine isn't, nor that assisting the 'aggressor' is right.
If American self defence was a good enough excuse for America to invade Iraq & Afganistan plus a few others you can hardly blame Russia for thinking that it's the way the modern world works.
As I keep saying America sets an example for others to follow.
essex man
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"right" and "wrong" ???
What is this fairytale world you live in.
Countries and people do what is in their own interests and subjectively define "right" and "wrong"
Hindsight
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And you write and presumably think some right tosh Brian. Have you bought a dacha in Sochi to go alongside your Swiss retreat. Hey ho.
Perhaps you would like to explain how American invasions in Iraq & Afghanistan was any more justified for American self defence than Russia considering American military arms in Ukraine any less intimidating in Russian eyes. America put troops on the Iraqi border to pressure Hussain to back down, when he didn’t they invaded, sound familiar?
My understanding is US power is based on having it both ways and making both sides pay for it. Lefties call it something like Liberal Imperialism. Classicists probably call it a variation on being caught on the horns of a dilemma. We in the UK see our politics operating the same way on a domestic level ever since Blair and his spin doctors. The only exception was Dunblane.
It's how minorities get preferential treatment and consideration here in the West whilst never being tolerated in authoritarian/totalitarian regimes.
We in the West are moving to the right, away from liberal democracy so we'll have to get used to this.
China and Russia don't want to divide and rule. They don't want to accommodate both sides of an argument and profit from both. They want to consolidate what they have and expand to have more into one homogenous whole, into one big unifying state, centrally controlled and top down enforced. Our political masters in our liberal democracies don't understand how they can rule over us, given their core doctrine of diversity, equality and inclusion. In fact their DVI is what is causing the far right to get more populist.
Ask any successful productive farmer how he grows his business and he'll sound more like Russia and China then any spokesman from the US or the UK.
It's how minorities get preferential treatment and consideration here in the West whilst never being tolerated in authoritarian/totalitarian regimes.
We in the West are moving to the right, away from liberal democracy so we'll have to get used to this.
China and Russia don't want to divide and rule. They don't want to accommodate both sides of an argument and profit from both. They want to consolidate what they have and expand to have more into one homogenous whole, into one big unifying state, centrally controlled and top down enforced. Our political masters in our liberal democracies don't understand how they can rule over us, given their core doctrine of diversity, equality and inclusion. In fact their DVI is what is causing the far right to get more populist.
Ask any successful productive farmer how he grows his business and he'll sound more like Russia and China then any spokesman from the US or the UK.
Charlie Gill
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Because Ukrainians are being indiscriminately killed, and their homes and infrastructure are being destroyed.How can Blinken reprimand China for helping Russia in the Ukraine,when the US have recently announced that they will be supplying more weapons to Ukraine to defend themselves against Russia?
Please explain what I am missing
It's been on the news.
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Presumably you think that the Taliban, Baathists, A-Qaeda, ISIS etc, are just jolly good chaps that are just a bit misunderstood.
Didn't America arm the Taliban when they were fighting the Russians, they obviously thought they were jolly good fellows & a bit misunderstood, same applies to the others when it suited America!!
they also left the countries you mention and didnt move the borders
Russia war of aggression is contrary to the UN Charter and any UN member shouldn't assist them.How can Blinken reprimand China for helping Russia in the Ukraine,when the US have recently announced that they will be supplying more weapons to Ukraine to defend themselves against Russia?
Please explain what I am missing
I see Iraq was mentioned - it's a fair point although at the time there was (sort of) a legal justification via UN resolutions.
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No, the US supplied weapons and equipment to the Mujahedeen.Didn't America arm the Taliban when they were fighting the Russians, they obviously thought they were jolly good fellows & a bit misunderstood, same applies to the others when it suited America!!
essex man
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There was made up evidence, re iraq..
Clear there was no self defense justification in reality, clear at the time, clear afterwards.
What makes laugh is these people who say tony blair fooled me with his dodgy dossier!
Perhaps you should read this & understand American foreign policy better.
The history of US intervention in Afghanistan, from the Cold War to 9/11
How American meddling shaped life in Afghanistan.By Emily Stewart[email protected] Aug 21, 2021, 8:00am EDT
us-troops-afghanistan-cold-war-bush-bin-laden
No it was never a self defence justification, it was authority from the security council to take measures if Iraq didn't comply. It was dodgy then and dodgy now but also, not outright illegal and contrary to the UN Charter like Russia's invasion clearly is.
Anyway... Two wrongs don't make a right. You can think both the Iraq war and Russia's invasion are wrong without contradiction.