Dan Poulter MP

Charlie Gill

Member
Location
Kent
I consider anyone who truly believes the NHS should not be entirely 100% privatised and have it done so immediately as to be either spectacularly misinformed or to be living in la la land.

There is no national health service. It is merely 3 letters the government has created to con the electorate. Maybe once upon a time there was such a thing but not any longer. Sell the lot off and install a centralised health insurance system. It is the only way.
Yeah flog it off to foreign investors and get the directors of Thames Water to run it.
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
This is just a product of your prejudice. There’s always more than one way to skin a cat and if an individual is a poor constituency mp voters can always remove them. You belittle many, many people who do more than one job successfully and ignore the benefit of personal experience outside the Westminster bubble.
Well, that's not in the least original coming from you. It is a fact that you throw around such comments all the time.Of course you won't want to leave yourself open to being labelled a hypocrite, so please list your prejudices so that we may judge what you write appropriately and with them in mind... (y)

Voters certainly cannot 'always remove' them other than in a General Election; and recall can only be an option in the event of custodial convictions and s9 offences or a suspension from Parliament. Other than these there is no mechanism to remove a sitting MP.

As for what I wrote, no it certainly isn't prejudice; it is based on seeing first hand the amount of work MPs have to deal with, from first entering Parliament, through very junior government appointments up to a pretty senior level.

Please share with us your insights into the volume of work an MP must undertake to function properly at the various levels. I do not ignore the benefit of prior personal experience for an MP, you choose to ignore the necessity of commitment to the job of being an MP - and, perhaps as importantly, you ignore the necessity for MPs to be able to avoid conflict of interests outside of Parliament with their civic duty.

You play the negative too often and in so doing bely your own self-righteousness.

Well I’ll go first
Reduce the number of MPs by half, double their pay ( not expenses! ), and tighten up rules about third party earnings, with compulsory declaration and scrutiny of any lobbying activity. It would be mandatory they attend the House at least 75% of the time it is sitting.
Fair comment; but how can we be sure that this is not a mere product of your prejudice...?
 

fudge

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire.
Well, that's not in the least original coming from you. It is a fact that you throw around such comments all the time.Of course you won't want to leave yourself open to being labelled a hypocrite, so please list your prejudices so that we may judge what you write appropriately and with them in mind... (y)

Voters certainly cannot 'always remove' them other than in a General Election; and recall can only be an option in the event of custodial convictions and s9 offences or a suspension from Parliament. Other than these there is no mechanism to remove a sitting MP.

As for what I wrote, no it certainly isn't prejudice; it is based on seeing first hand the amount of work MPs have to deal with, from first entering Parliament, through very junior government appointments up to a pretty senior level.

Please share with us your insights into the volume of work an MP must undertake to function properly at the various levels. I do not ignore the benefit of prior personal experience for an MP, you choose to ignore the necessity of commitment to the job of being an MP - and, perhaps as importantly, you ignore the necessity for MPs to be able to avoid conflict of interests outside of Parliament with their civic duty.

You play the negative too often and in so doing bely your own self-righteousness.


Fair comment; but how can we be sure that this is not a mere product of your prejudice...?
MPs can choose to do as much or as little as they wish. You are suggesting that you know that Mr Poulter isn’t able to balance his time effectively. Again this is your prejudice.
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
MPs can choose to do as much or as little as they wish. You are suggesting that you know that Mr Poulter isn’t able to balance his time effectively. Again this is your prejudice.
You forgot to list your prejudices - unless you claim to have none - and to make mention of your experience regarding the workload of an MP... why?
 

fudge

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire.
You forgot to list your prejudices - unless you claim to have none - and to make mention of your experience regarding the workload of an MP... why?
I don’t need to answer your questions. As I said MPs are free to do as much or as little as they like. I am sure some wealthy MPs delegate leg work to their staff, and why shouldn’t they? Likewise for all you and I know Mr Poulter may be able to delegate some of his hospital work to a trustworthy team he has built.
 

Swarfmonkey

Member
Location
Hampshire
Does this mean he's also only a part time MP ? And only paid a part time salary?

He's a part time MP alright, that much is evident from the hours he puts into his other endeavours. Those endeavours being very good for his bank account. £86k a year for 60hrs a month with Norfolk and Suffolk NHS Foundation Trust, £24k a year for 10hrs a month with Myogenes, and £30k a year for 8hrs a month with Kanabo Group PLC. Ain't no way he's putting the average FTE hrs (2080 hrs IIRC) into being an MP and then not far off 50% more time into his sidelines as well.
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
I don’t need to answer your questions. As I said MPs are free to do as much or as little as they like. I am sure some wealthy MPs delegate leg work to their staff, and why shouldn’t they? Likewise for all you and I know Mr Poulter may be able to delegate some of his hospital work to a trustworthy team he has built.
That was a laugh out loud moment... no you don't need to answer any questions.

Yet the real reason you won't is because you can't bear to be held to account in the way you hold others. It's one rule for you in your ever so self-righteous book and another for the rest of us.

But that's alright, just so we all know. :ROFLMAO:
 

fudge

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire.
That was a laugh out loud moment... no you don't need to answer any questions.

Yet the real reason you won't is because you can't bear to be held to account in the way you hold others. It's one rule for you in your ever so self-righteous book and another for the rest of us.

But that's alright, just so we all know. :ROFLMAO:
There you go again wanting to hold someone “to account” because they hold an opinion different to your own prejudices. To be honest I thought I had answered your question with respect to this thread.
 

Widgetone

Member
Trade
Location
Westish Suffolk
I consider anyone who truly believes the NHS should not be entirely 100% privatised and have it done so immediately as to be either spectacularly misinformed or to be living in la la land.

There is no national health service. It is merely 3 letters the government has created to con the electorate. Maybe once upon a time there was such a thing but not any longer. Sell the lot off and install a centralised health insurance system. It is the only way.
That’s the plan.
Dentistry going, ophthalmology following. Somebody dying waiting in an A&E dept- found under a coat 7 hours later.
Kindly explain what a centralised health insurance system is?
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
There you go again wanting to hold someone “to account” because they hold an opinion different to your own prejudices. To be honest I thought I had answered your question with respect to this thread.
Hang on you bloody hypocrite, there you go again... you threw 'prejudiced' at me because you disagree with me. Self righteous and hypocritical, and prejudiced... :banghead:
 

Bongodog

Member
He's a part time MP alright, that much is evident from the hours he puts into his other endeavours. Those endeavours being very good for his bank account. £86k a year for 60hrs a month with Norfolk and Suffolk NHS Foundation Trust, £24k a year for 10hrs a month with Myogenes, and £30k a year for 8hrs a month with Kanabo Group PLC. Ain't no way he's putting the average FTE hrs (2080 hrs IIRC) into being an MP and then not far off 50% more time into his sidelines as well.
That explains why a constutuent made the comment that there were virtually no signs of him doing any constituency work.

The amount of time MPs devote to the constituents varies enormously, we used to have JIm Paice as our MP, he used to turn up about 3 days before an election, 1 hour in the village and off. Now we have Lucy Frazer, she might put in double Jim's efforts. We are moving constituency next time, the prospective Tory candidate Anthony Browne has been seen more than all his predecessors efforts for the past 30 years.
 

Widgetone

Member
Trade
Location
Westish Suffolk
You simply should not be allowed to be an MP and hold any other substantial position. It's as simple as that. Half of them are directors for companies etc etc and do very little work. How the hell the guy can be a practicing doctor and an MP is beyond me.
I agree. But at least the guy is helping ( yes, I know, earning £££ too, but at least some good rather than nondescript directorships, like Brandon for example ).
Totally wrong to cross the floor tho.
 

fudge

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire.
You simply should not be allowed to be an MP and hold any other substantial position. It's as simple as that. Half of them are directors for companies etc etc and do very little work. How the hell the guy can be a practicing doctor and an MP is beyond me.
Just because it’s beyond you doesn’t mean he can’t do it. What have any of us ever done to stand in judgment on people who have two jobs? I’m not an MP or practicing consultant are you? This is what’s wrong with this country, it’s full of crap.
 

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