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[Nathan818]

But do you believe red tractor works for you to achieve the above. And subsequently do you want red tractor to take responsibility for supplying your carbon footprint information to your processor and are you happy to supply that for free if not how are you expecting to be rewarded for the gift of this data.

Red tractor does work in that it gives buyers one single assurance scheme to ensure produce is safe and legally compliant. However yes the standards are much stricter than necessary for that, they have overstepped out of that remit with some requirements and they generally need to work with farmers more than the way they cuerently work against them. This is why they need to be challenged and standards brought back to their original purpose.
As far as carbon data, I think the blueprint for the best way to collect that data is in bord bia over in ireland. Bord bia collect your data and calculate your carbon footprint, so all farmers are carbon footprinted using the same methods. This data is then yours. If processors want access to it for reporting then they pay you to give them access.
Doesn't this solve most problems or am I missing something?

 

[ollie989898]

Red tractor does work in that it gives buyers one single assurance scheme to ensure produce is safe and legally compliant. However yes the standards are much stricter than necessary for that, they have overstepped out of that remit with some requirements and they generally need to work with farmers more than the way they cuerently work against them. This is why they need to be challenged and standards brought back to their original purpose.
As far as carbon data, I think the blueprint for the best way to collect that data is in bord bia over in ireland. Bord bia collect your data and calculate your carbon footprint, so all farmers are carbon footprinted using the same methods. This data is then yours. If processors want access to it for reporting then they pay you to give them access.
Doesn't this solve most problems or am I missing something?

Your post has a mistake in it. It is completely legal and safe for farms to sell product without red tractor. It is not a legal requirement- trading standards are responsible for that legislation and they have the power to shut your business down or prosecute you if necessary where food hygiene laws have been broken. Red tractor doesn't mean a damn.

 

[frederick]

Your post has a mistake in it. It is completely legal and safe for farms to sell product without red tractor. It is not a legal requirement- trading standards are responsible for that legislation and they have the power to shut your business down or prosecute you if necessary where food hygiene laws have been broken. Red tractor doesn't mean a damn.

Just because it's legal to sell food from an unaudited business doesn't mean we should.

Audits have a huge benefit for reputational security

Because there is legislation without auditing not all will comply.

 

[buffalo_soldier]

I've forgotten her name but I've spoken directly to the assurance person at arla as my ongoing issues with RT now include them adding non conformances after the inspection.

To say she is pro red tractor is an understatement.
She said she does feedback to them and to SFI in particular.

 

[ollie989898]

Just because it's legal to sell food from an unaudited business doesn't mean we should.

Audits have a huge benefit for reputational security

Because there is legislation without auditing not all will comply.

Any farm can be red tractor for a day. That said, I'd bet there are a number of farms in the UK right now that wouldn't pass a red tractor audit, but that doesn't mean they are unsafe or illegally producing food.

You have a lot more faith in red tractor assurance than I do, I'll say that.

 

[frederick]

Any farm can be red tractor for a day. That said, I'd bet there are a number of farms in the UK right now that wouldn't pass a red tractor audit, but that doesn't mean they are unsafe or illegally producing food.

You have a lot more faith in red tractor assurance than I do, I'll say that.

Nota fan of red tractor but don't believe the alternative is no audit which a lot of producers want.

The alternative available to us now is maybe a small level of change.

 

[Farmer Keith]

The beef and sheep sector don't really need RT at all, leaving just cereals which is basically a light touch anyway and a complete waste of time given how buyers just buy imported grain without a second thought.

We don’t need RT but we are part of our customers scope 3 emissions which they will legally have to report on in 2025 as I understand it. We’ve seen green tractor kicked into touch for now but how do we provide that data and see a financial return on it, that’s the question for sheep and beef farmers right now.

 

[TheRanger]

We don’t need RT but we are part of our customers scope 3 emissions which they will legally have to report on in 2025 as I understand it. We’ve seen green tractor kicked into touch for now but how do we provide that data and see a financial return on it, that’s the question for sheep and beef farmers right now.

How do these supermarket customers "legally report on" scope 3 emissions from imported foodstuffs that isn't FA?

 

[Farmer Keith]

How do these supermarket customers "legally report on" scope 3 emissions from imported foodstuffs that isn't FA?

Good question like I said in my earlier post there’s not a hope in hell of it happening by 2025 with sheep and beef but it is written in law that they have to so there’s the opportunity to make some money out of it if we were to get coordinated.

 

[vantage]

Good question like I said in my earlier post there’s not a hope in hell of it happening by 2025 with sheep and beef but it is written in law that they have to so there’s the opportunity to make some money out of it if we were to get coordinated.

The law is an ass.
Time will move on and it will be changed.

 

[sidjon]

Is anyone else not having their results for the last 6 days?

 

[celtis man]

Is anyone else not having their results for the last 6 days?

I think they have forgotten to pay the NMR bill

 

[vantage]

Is anyone else not having their results for the last 6 days?

No text, just email.

 

[Cows 'n grass]

Is anyone else not having their results for the last 6 days?

I'm getting emails but not had a text for over a week.

 

[TheRanger]

Not had a text for a week, usually get daily texts. Last one was a highish bacto, so unsure if it was a blip or an issue

Bank holiday weekend so couldn't get through on Fri or today

 

[easy farming]

Is anyone else not having their results for the last 6 days?

No texts for a week. But website up to date.

 

[sidjon]

No text, just email.

I'm getting emails but not had a text for over a week.

Not had a text for a week, usually get daily texts. Last one was a highish bacto, so unsure if it was a blip or an issue

Bank holiday weekend so couldn't get through on Fri or today

No texts for a week. But website up to date.

No emails and my March results page is blank, had a very high blip with scc over last 6 weeks

 

[nonemouse]

No emails and my March results page is blank, had a very high blip with scc over last 6 weeks

No texts but emails and website uptodate ( got yesterdays results email 2 hours ago)

 

[bar718]

The issue around the text messages has been flagged up to management so hopefully will be resolved soon.

 

[delilah]

We don’t need RT but we are part of our customers scope 3 emissions which they will legally have to report on in 2025 as I understand it.

They don't legally have to class enteric methane as a scope 3 emission. That's your choice to do so and yours alone.

Anyroad, just dropped in here to ask if an Arla producer could answer the question I have asked in the tofu thread in Agricultural Matters. Ta muchly .

https://www.thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/tofu.407769/#post-9253808