Northern Irish Politics Thread (or what passes for politics in NI)
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Danllan
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Interested to know three things;But listen, the Union is safe. Those bible thumping bushmen, are well represented by such cool, calm, calculating, strategic thinking politicians, such as Sammy, and Seething Jim Allister, and Ian Brown Envelope Paisley Jr.
1) Do you think there will be a 'United Ireland'?
2) If yes to the above, when(ish)?
3) Do you think that the ROI will find having a large number of people who don't want to be part of the country as difficult as the UK has?
Bonus: whether yes or no to that last one, why?
Joe
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McAntee dropped the ball badly here, should never have got involved in the discussion with Tories on immigration. Majority here would be against the Rwanda approach or anything similar & using it as an excuse in any scenario is poor politics really.
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1. Inevitably
2. Timeline is impossible to predict but time will be the answer
3. It wouldn’t be the ROI, it will need to be Ireland a collaborative society in whatever shape that takes. Bit of journey yet but isn’t that the interesting part
Danllan
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Irrelevant where idea started, it wouldn’t cook here. The right wing stuff that goes on here is very much a minority, watch them fail badly at elections.From the people in the ROI I've heard from, they look at the total f***-up that mass immigration here has caused and want none of it.
As for Rwanda, it started as an idea from inside the EU, Denmark I think...
Interesting, do you mean a federal state?
Why put a title on a setup, it doesn’t need one or fit into a current box. Would think though some sort of link with England would be kept what that is who knows yet
Danllan
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I presume you mean the UK, a 'link' would be a hard thing to work constitutionally. If you want to work within the law you need to have a 'title' for whatever, so that it can be accurately defined and reliably referred to.
Not wanting mass-immigration isn't 'right-wing', it's common sense based on the experience of everywhere it's been allowed. Labeling as such to stigmatise people who don't want it - polls show them to be a majority - will just irritate.
Origins are only very rarely irrelevant, still less so when writing about political 'ideas'.
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Has McEntee not been under pressure for quite some time due to her performance? and in part this row is related to coalition tensions?
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This is all driven by McEntee‘s personal political issues. Also Simon Harris wants to be seen as the “law and order Taoiseach”!
Bless ‘em, Simon and Helen, making a fuss, just for optics.
If that was true, then how do you explain the firm US and EU backing we received all the way through brexit?Th only reason the ROI ever gets anywhere with HMG is because the latter is scared sh!tless of things kicking off in NI, that's it.
The ROI has no diplomatic, economic or moral clout, it just has NI to fall back on.
Labor will be in power in a matter of months and they will unwind this immediately also
She is useless as a minister but a useful scapegoat.
Danllan
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Very easily... as everyone knows, internal US politics plays up the 'Irish' vote enormously and the EU were happy to use any lever in the overall negotiations.
it funny how you keep blaming the irish sea border on the EU. but it was the traitor Boris johnson who put it there. not the EU. cause it was the only way he could spin the lie that "He got Brexit done" and the simple english fools fell for it. there will never be a hard border, the nature of it makes it impossible, and any gobshit that tell u different has never spend anytime on the border
So we do have clout. The Taoiseach visits the Whitehouse every Paddy's Day and is entertained by the President. Our diaspora is enormousVery easily... as everyone knows, internal US politics plays up the 'Irish' vote enormously and the EU were happy to use any lever in the overall negotiations.
Danllan
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Not really, say rather that others use the Irish 'cause' for their own convenience and you'd be spot on.
However, a famously 'Irish' US President - Ronald Reagan - entirely ignored the ROI's opinion when push came to shove during the Falklands Conflict. Interestingly, a young US Senator also spoke out regarding that conflict, vociferously arguing for support for the UK - even to the extent of lending us aircraft carriers etc.. His name...? Joseph Robinette Biden...
Point is, anyone doubting the Irish lobby in the US is a fool, and anyone doubting that US global strategic interest takes precedence over that is a bloody fool.
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I overlooked your point about Labour earlier; hmm... that is a possibility, but in truth it depends entirely on the majority a Starmer government is given and how it is made up.
With >100 seats in majority, all with good constituency majorities, you could well be right. But... with a smaller majority, or even with a larger one but with many marginal majorities, they are likely to be far more circumspect.
We'll see...
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The problem the ROI is facing in immigration is the rise of populist politics. Its easy to scare people about immigration by highlighting single incidents as being widespread. I don't know what McEntee was trying to achieve but what she said has consequences. It feeds into the narrative that immigration is bad and as posters have said it is hypocritical.
There of course is also hypocritical politicians in the UK as well. Brexit was a backward step but appealed to people's sense of national pride.
So the Conservatives, Farage and Co get riled up and spur it on. This has to the biggest piece of hypocrisy. An Empire that included India, Pakistan, Bangladesh Malysia, parts of North America. Now complaining about immigration when it historically invaded and took natural resources, and people at will.
No one is innocent when it comes to hypocrisy with regard to immigration. ROI has a large diaspora that were emigrants like those arriving now. The point to remember here is that all foreign policy is selfish and based on immediate concerns. Hence the immigration row.
There of course is also hypocritical politicians in the UK as well. Brexit was a backward step but appealed to people's sense of national pride.
So the Conservatives, Farage and Co get riled up and spur it on. This has to the biggest piece of hypocrisy. An Empire that included India, Pakistan, Bangladesh Malysia, parts of North America. Now complaining about immigration when it historically invaded and took natural resources, and people at will.
No one is innocent when it comes to hypocrisy with regard to immigration. ROI has a large diaspora that were emigrants like those arriving now. The point to remember here is that all foreign policy is selfish and based on immediate concerns. Hence the immigration row.
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