I’d like to wager far more have survived because of better nutrition than had severe birth defects. The figures can be scewed to fit the rhetoric.
I'm sorry if I'm being a bit thick here, but I've no idea what you meanNo you haven't got it all wrong! You mob graze your farm with a lot of humans for 2 days each year and they use more extensive humanity all year round to pay the bills.. Nothing but respect if that opportunity is open to a landowner as it is personal choice but spare a thought for the tenant who are "humanoid stockless" because rules is rules!!
Definitely being thickI'm sorry if I'm being a bit thick here, but I've no idea what you mean
Thanks...can you explain then please?Definitely being thick
Actually I have him on ignore for obvious reasons.Thanks...can you explain then please?
I have you on ignore all the time too.. dont worry about it ... no point in a debate on this forumActually I have him on ignore for obvious reasons.
Sorry.. letting the general public onto your farm can be quite profitable compared to farming regardless of the method.. tenant can't do it as easilyI'm sorry if I'm being a bit thick here, but I've no idea what you mean
Pardon mush?Definitely being thick
What?Interesting that you think this is about you and your farm. It certainly made me think differently about mine when I read it.
So agrochemical’s are responsible for significant birth defects and cancer, based on a notional feeling.
I have to say if you look closer to home to agrochemical users, ie direct close contact with concentrated formulations and similar with dilute solution as applied, they should exhibit these cancers and birth defects to a far greater magnitude than the population at large?
The Knepp meat yield is 21 kilos (live weight) per acre, which is far lower than even the 60s/70s yields, and organic/sustainable farming yields.Knepp is how we farmed or my father farmed in the 60’s and 70’s BEFORE the advent of what is considered ‘modern’ farming, ie massive and then indiscriminate use of chemicals and almost complete destruction/eradication of the wild-life. Including insect predators.
Stubble burning was one of the nastiest, latest way to kill everything in its path plus all those chems folk now know cause truly horrible birth defects but were then considered crop saviours!
Todays agriculture is just starting to come out of the trees with a more considered approach and understanding, finally realising after 60 years that killing everything is not really the way forward.
Simplistic but true.
I was blown away by the book as it ran true to our thoughts and exactly what we have achieved on our tiny piece of cut-up carpet here in EA.
SS
What I really want to know is facts and figures for all this stuff. Same as the magazines, you get all the glossy stuff but never any proper accounts based facts.As it happens, they are building up a regen farm next to the wilding project, see here:
Regenerative Farm moves into its next phase alongside Knepp's Rewilding - Knepp
After 2 years of development, Knepp’s regenerative farm is undergoing a restructure that will see Russ Carrington step back from his role as project manager. This change follows the successful establishment of several new enterprises that now require dedicated management and input as they grow...knepp.co.uk
love they somebody doing something different successfully is always accused of telling everyone else to do the same thing.
What's a lot?
Percentage of t/o would be a better guide.
The Knepp meat yield is 21 kilos (live weight) per acre, which is far lower than even the 60s/70s yields, and organic/sustainable farming yields.
And make a sensible living from it!The problem was how can we help wildlife and diversity while still producing food and fiber, (especially on a little island so heavily dépendant on food import as the UK).
And make a sensible living from it!
I think it is still going, but there have been major issues with allowing animals to starve to control their numbers. The Oostvaardersplassen Project set out to be VERY low interventionist and stand back and watch. At Knepp they have been a little more pragmatic, they know the English public will not tolerate starving animals, so they cull excess numbers and sell the meat for good money.
What has happened with Exmoor ponies at Knepp is interesting, they were culling excess stock, but the carcass had next to no value. So they have now gelded the males and the herd structure has completely fallen apart and they graze differently.
Apparently Exmoor ponies are the nearest thing we have to a wild horse and their numbers are dangerously low. There is some woman somewhere doing good work conserving them and marketing their meat as part of the process. However, unfortunately she is having major issues and death threats from Vegans.
I'm no expert on this matter, all I've done is read this book over Christmas, sometimes with a glass of red in my hand!
Fell ponies are great conservation grazers aswell I think they should of left the wild herds alone.Thanks, I missed that. Luckily.
I posted this under Holistic not only because the subject is deeply holistic, but also to avoid too much of the politics of envy stuff. It's interesting though to consider what benefits the taxpayer gets from the environmental subsidies that help pay for the enterprise. I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't cost neutral for all sorts of reasons that are hard to put a monetary value on, as well as those which are easily costed; like provision of clean water. But I think for the nations sanity, we need more wild places in our small, over-crowded island. And these wild places can teach us farmers a lot. As Dwayne Beck always says, you need to know what your land would be doing if you weren't farming it. Nature does a surprisingly good job, we can pick up a few tips.