Constant Tiredness

[Adeptandy]

How be'ee geddn awn @Bury the Trash , @Adeptandy , all all?

Still struggling, having to wind the plumbing business down and just farm and help Mrsadeptandy and her dogs

Thanks for asking

 

[primmiemoo]

Best wishes for a steady and sound recovery. There's more research into PASC (Long Covid) compared with even a year ago. The charity linked to, along with others, are putting together advice and frameworks to help with recovery from the mosaic of symptoms (if that's a suitable non-medical term). I had PVF/CFS after influenza, so I've had a glimpse of how it must feel.

 

[ollie989898]

Lots of ways viruses can mess your body up for a time. Thankfully the effects are generally transient and reverse in time for most.

 

[cowboysupper]

Must be well over a year since I has C19 last, I don't believe I ever fully recovered from it. My legs are screaming at me walking the farm and I've poor energy levels to the point of not being able to walk the farm properly during times of increased work load, like now while lambing, which isn't great.

I know I don't sleep properly, there's probably a bit more I could do about that but I'd end up exchanging the little free time I have for sleep. Stress levels are YUGE! but that's normal.

I've started eating the foods of the ketogenic diet, which has shown huge benefits for mental health and energy which is what I'm after. However I'm not pursuing ketosis yet as I'm frankly too busy. I can say my gut issues have GONE, a skin issue is greatly improved, and I've gone several belt notches in the right direction over maybe three months. I avoid sugar and processed foods like the f'kn plague now.

Pilates will be my next stop because I don't just feel old mentally but physically too, and I don't believe I should, yet, at 46!

Pilates is great for mind and body. Been going for 6 months steady now and it has made a big difference. I used to dread certain jobs round the farm because they'd give me aches and pains I'd carry around for days/weeks and lower my energy levels. That's much reduced now but I find I need to go to the class weekly to maintain that. If I can't go for a few weeks I start to feel it(not in a good way).

There can be variances in how different instructors runs their classes so if you find the first instructor doesn't suit you, don't be afraid to try a different one (I'm on my 3rd and her class suits me the best). I started from a very low base in terms of strength and flexibility for a pilates class but it gets better over time.

 

[JohnGalway]

Pilates is great for mind and body. Been going for 6 months steady now and it has made a big difference. I used to dread certain jobs round the farm because they'd give me aches and pains I'd carry around for days/weeks and lower my energy levels. That's much reduced now but I find I need to go to the class weekly to maintain that. If I can't go for a few weeks I start to feel it(not in a good way).

There can be variances in how different instructors runs their classes so if you find the first instructor doesn't suit you, don't be afraid to try a different one (I'm on my 3rd and her class suits me the best). I started from a very low base in terms of strength and flexibility for a pilates class but it gets better over time.

That's great to hear, I will likely have to travel quite a distance to get to any class but I'm hopeful until proven different

 

[Two Tone]

I reckon dodgy eyesight can cause a lot of constant tiredness, or be one of several things that combine to make me feel constantly tired.

The other things are undoubtedly stress caused by the weather, sight of poor crops, poor sleeping, lack of motivation due to all of the above


I get up in the morning and my eyesight is fine to wash, shave, make myself a coffee and Mrs Two Tone’s tea and feed the dog.
Then I turn my iPad on, look at the weather forecast, catch up with TFF and do a Daily Codewords Puzzle.
To do this, I need my reading glasses.

Then I go outside to work.
Having taken my reading glasses off, unless I remember to put on my distance glasses, I’ll instantly feel very tired indeed!
Driving anything without those distance glasses will make me feel very unwell.
But I didn’t need any glasses on from when I first got up, right up until I switched the iPad on.


Popping back indoors, I’ll need to switch glasses if I’m gong to read anything.
But I’ll often forget to pick up my distance glasses, when I have finished reading and go outside again.

Boy, then does the tiredness instantly hit me again!
This is extremely disconcerting. I suddenly feel very old or worry if I’m possibly ill.

After work and in the evening, as long as I’m not reading/using my iPad, I don’t need my distance glasses on.
I can watch television quite happily without them, unless I use the what’s-on text section. But even then I can usually manage without my distance glasses to read it, the tv being about 9 feet away from where I sit.


It is all pretty disconcerting and rather worrying and it causes yet more stress.
I get called in for check-ups by my optician, but I’m wondering if they leave it too long between the check-ups and in several occasions I’ve had to make an appointment to be re-checked sooner than they would call me in .

They wanted me to and I agreed to have photo-chromic lenses on my distance glasses.
These are very good, but for the fact that they darken almost too much and it it appear to others that there is something wrong with me!

However, the strangest thing of all is that when I go on holiday to sunny Cyprus in Oct/Nov, despite reading several books, always including the very latest Felix (Dick) Francis crime novel, my distance eyesight instantly improves so much, that by day 3 I don’t need my distance glasses at all!
I’m quite happy even not to need their photo-chromic ability even in the very bright sunshine.
Why TF this is I have no idea, other than the fact that the holiday is doing me a tremendous amount of good!



We know that Type 2 Diabetes has an effect on eyesight.
I was T2D pre-diabetic, but cured myself by going onto the Carnivore Diet.
Since when I have relaxed that strict diet, but remained cautious on how many Carbs I eat each day.

When I go on holiday, this becomes difficult to achieve and I’m much less strict about my diet.
So WTF does my eyesight suddenly improve so much that I feel very much less tired all the time, if at all?

The only answer I can come up with is the level of stress.

 

[primmiemoo]

I reckon dodgy eyesight can cause a lot of constant tiredness, or be one of several things that combine to make me feel constantly tired.

The other things are undoubtedly stress caused by the weather, sight of poor crops, poor sleeping, lack of motivation due to all of the above


I get up in the morning and my eyesight is fine to wash, shave, make myself a coffee and Mrs Two Tone’s tea and feed the dog.
Then I turn my iPad on, look at the weather forecast, catch up with TFF and do a Daily Codewords Puzzle.
To do this, I need my reading glasses.

Then I go outside to work.
Having taken my reading glasses off, unless I remember to put on my distance glasses, I’ll instantly feel very tired indeed!
Driving anything without those distance glasses will make me feel very unwell.
But I didn’t need any glasses on from when I first got up, right up until I switched the iPad on.


Popping back indoors, I’ll need to switch glasses if I’m gong to read anything.
But I’ll often forget to pick up my distance glasses, when I have finished reading and go outside again.

Boy, then does the tiredness instantly hit me again!
This is extremely disconcerting. I suddenly feel very old or worry if I’m possibly ill.

After work and in the evening, as long as I’m not reading/using my iPad, I don’t need my distance glasses on.
I can watch television quite happily without them, unless I use the what’s-on text section. But even then I can usually manage without my distance glasses to read it, the tv being about 9 feet away from where I sit.


It is all pretty disconcerting and rather worrying and it causes yet more stress.
I get called in for check-ups by my optician, but I’m wondering if they leave it too long between the check-ups and in several occasions I’ve had to make an appointment to be re-checked sooner than they would call me in .

They wanted me to and I agreed to have photo-chromic lenses on my distance glasses.
These are very good, but for the fact that they darken almost too much and it it appear to others that there is something wrong with me!

However, the strangest thing of all is that when I go on holiday to sunny Cyprus in Oct/Nov, despite reading several books, always including the very latest Felix (Dick) Francis crime novel, my distance eyesight instantly improves so much, that by day 3 I don’t need my distance glasses at all!
I’m quite happy even not to need their photo-chromic ability even in the very bright sunshine.
Why TF this is I have no idea, other than the fact that the holiday is doing me a tremendous amount of good!



We know that Type 2 Diabetes has an effect on eyesight.
I was T2D pre-diabetic, but cured myself by going onto the Carnivore Diet.
Since when I have relaxed that strict diet, but remained cautious on how many Carbs I eat each day.

When I go on holiday, this becomes difficult to achieve and I’m much less strict about my diet.
So WTF does my eyesight suddenly improve so much that I feel very much less tired all the time, if at all?

The only answer I can come up with is the level of stress.

I can relate to the varying eyesight from tiredness and not having an up to date prescription, but investing in good sunglasses made a difference for me. I've a tinted reading pair (full UV protection, but not polarised, so I can read a tablet screen outdoors), and polarised pairs for driving, and general everyday things outdoors in bright sun.

Sent my prescription to glasses direct to use their special offers, so that cut the costs.

I cheated on the special diet thing to bring down my blood sugar. Cut out sugar, and deployed smaller plates.

 

[Two Tone]

I can relate to the varying eyesight from tiredness and not having an up to date prescription, but investing in good sunglasses made a difference for me. I've a tinted reading pair (full UV protection, but not polarised, so I can read a tablet screen outdoors), and polarised pairs for driving, and general everyday things outdoors in bright sun.

Sent my prescription to glasses direct to use their special offers, so that cut the costs.

I cheated on the special diet thing to bring down my blood sugar. Cut out sugar, and deployed smaller plates.

That sounds very good advice.

Though I‘ve become convinced that God plays games with us or have an annoying sense of humour that pisses us off:
It seems to me that somebody diagnoses a problem such as T2D, which scares the sh!t out of you enough to do something like adjust your diet.
But it either takes a long time to show any effect (HbA1c tests can only be done every 3 months), because your A1c level was probably on the way up when you were diagnosed, thus the next test shows not a lower A1c level but an even higher one(!) or the advice, though good isn’t anything like radical enough.

Worse still, as we get older, we have to be even more extreme or radical in what we do to keep T2D free.
It‘s like we do everything they say, but it isn’t enough and he have to do even more and more and it becomes harder and harder!

I am absolutely convinced that T2D does seriously effect eyesight as is a major cause of it failing, which will make us feel constantly tired.

I’m due another test in June.
If my A1c level has gone up to pre or full T2D levels again, I’m going straight back onto the full Carnivore diet.
It’ll be interesting to see if my eyesight improves AND/OR my constant tiredness decreases.

However, we also know that Stress is responsible for up to 40% of T2D.
How TF we can reduce that with farming as it is right now, I do not know!

Yet even worse still, we can get through a stressful time and we think it is over.
But the effects of that stress can come back to haunt you for up to at least a year after we thought it has gone.
This will still play havoc with your HbA1c test results and can even go onto cause a heart attack.

What this all convinces me of is that Stress is a very dangerous thing indeed and that we must try to find a way to rid ourselves of it.

 

[milkloss]

I reckon dodgy eyesight can cause a lot of constant tiredness, or be one of several things that combine to make me feel constantly tired.

The other things are undoubtedly stress caused by the weather, sight of poor crops, poor sleeping, lack of motivation due to all of the above


I get up in the morning and my eyesight is fine to wash, shave, make myself a coffee and Mrs Two Tone’s tea and feed the dog.
Then I turn my iPad on, look at the weather forecast, catch up with TFF and do a Daily Codewords Puzzle.
To do this, I need my reading glasses.

Then I go outside to work.
Having taken my reading glasses off, unless I remember to put on my distance glasses, I’ll instantly feel very tired indeed!
Driving anything without those distance glasses will make me feel very unwell.
But I didn’t need any glasses on from when I first got up, right up until I switched the iPad on.


Popping back indoors, I’ll need to switch glasses if I’m gong to read anything.
But I’ll often forget to pick up my distance glasses, when I have finished reading and go outside again.

Boy, then does the tiredness instantly hit me again!
This is extremely disconcerting. I suddenly feel very old or worry if I’m possibly ill.

After work and in the evening, as long as I’m not reading/using my iPad, I don’t need my distance glasses on.
I can watch television quite happily without them, unless I use the what’s-on text section. But even then I can usually manage without my distance glasses to read it, the tv being about 9 feet away from where I sit.


It is all pretty disconcerting and rather worrying and it causes yet more stress.
I get called in for check-ups by my optician, but I’m wondering if they leave it too long between the check-ups and in several occasions I’ve had to make an appointment to be re-checked sooner than they would call me in .

They wanted me to and I agreed to have photo-chromic lenses on my distance glasses.
These are very good, but for the fact that they darken almost too much and it it appear to others that there is something wrong with me!

However, the strangest thing of all is that when I go on holiday to sunny Cyprus in Oct/Nov, despite reading several books, always including the very latest Felix (Dick) Francis crime novel, my distance eyesight instantly improves so much, that by day 3 I don’t need my distance glasses at all!
I’m quite happy even not to need their photo-chromic ability even in the very bright sunshine.
Why TF this is I have no idea, other than the fact that the holiday is doing me a tremendous amount of good!



We know that Type 2 Diabetes has an effect on eyesight.
I was T2D pre-diabetic, but cured myself by going onto the Carnivore Diet.
Since when I have relaxed that strict diet, but remained cautious on how many Carbs I eat each day.

When I go on holiday, this becomes difficult to achieve and I’m much less strict about my diet.
So WTF does my eyesight suddenly improve so much that I feel very much less tired all the time, if at all?

The only answer I can come up with is the level of stress.

Pre diabetic? Not really understanding what and how that affects your body but would consider changing blood sugars affecting your eye sight whilst on holiday. Different diet and activity etc

type 1 here and some serious eye trouble but do experience days of very acute eyesight and days of fuzziness. Probably due to fluctuating blood sugars.

 

[primmiemoo]

That sounds very good advice.

Though I‘ve become convinced that God plays games with us or have an annoying sense of humour that pisses us off:
It seems to me that somebody diagnoses a problem such as T2D, which scares the sh!t out of you enough to do something like adjust your diet.
But it either takes a long time to show any effect (HbA1c tests can only be done every 3 months), because your A1c level was probably on the way up when you were diagnosed, thus the next test shows not a lower A1c level but an even higher one(!) or the advice, though good isn’t anything like radical enough.

Worse still, as we get older, we have to be even more extreme or radical in what we do to keep T2D free.
It‘s like we do everything they say, but it isn’t enough and he have to do even more and more and it becomes harder and harder!

I am absolutely convinced that T2D does seriously effect eyesight as is a major cause of it failing, which will make us feel constantly tired.

I’m due another test in June.
If my A1c level has gone up to pre or full T2D levels again, I’m going straight back onto the full Carnivore diet.
It’ll be interesting to see if my eyesight improves AND/OR my constant tiredness decreases.

However, we also know that Stress is responsible for up to 40% of T2D.
How TF we can reduce that with farming as it is right now, I do not know!

Yet even worse still, we can get through a stressful time and we think it is over.
But the effects of that stress can come back to haunt you for up to at least a year after we thought it has gone.
This will still play havoc with your HbA1c test results and can even go onto cause a heart attack.

What this all convinces me of is that Stress is a very dangerous thing indeed and that we must try to find a way to rid ourselves of it.

Hope you're on course for better readings.

The fun part is avoiding that danger without getting overly stressed and adding to all the stress from adverse weather to the mazedness arising from leaving the EU. My de-stressing activities often involve looking up from vexing sorts of farm paperw*rk and fathoming, to deliberately notice anything that's beautiful and uplifting nearby. Along with having a good breathe. I'm terrible for taking micro holidays like that now, but find it helps to refocus.

Back when under significant stress in a different context, finding the frame of mind to seek those opportunities was very difficult. I'm not quite sure if that caused the uplift to my blood sugar directly, but my appetite was affected. Getting the blood test result was scary enough for me to address that as soon as I could, as simply and cheaply as possible.

 

[Two Tone]

Pre diabetic? Not really understanding what and how that affects your body I would consider changing blood sugars changing your eye sight whilst on holiday.

type 1 here and some serious eye trouble but do experience days of very acute eyesight and days of fuzziness. Probably due to fluctuating blood sugars.

As I understand it Type 1 and Type 2 are very different.

As I also understand it, Type 2 Pre-Diabetes means that your Insulin has become resistant/not as effective as good as it was at dealing with blood sugar, but can still be relatively easily reversed compared to fully T2 Diabetic.

In the UK we use a different HdA1c scale to measure it compared to the US and most of the rest of the world.
If you level is 41 or below, you are considered normal
From 42 to 47, you are considered Pre-Diabetic
48 and above you are considered fully Diabetic.

I agree with you that saying somebody is Pre T2D is a bit like saying somebody is partially pregnant!
There ain‘t no such thing.
However the Diabetes is a major cost to the NHS and if they can more easily prevent it by catching it early, the better.

 

[puppet]

Pre diabetes means your sugars are borderline and raises the risk you will go on to full diabetes

 

[Sicknote]

Lots of ways viruses can mess your body up for a time. Thankfully the effects are generally transient and reverse in time for most.

I had PVF/CFS after influenza, so I've had a glimpse of how it must feel.

I developed ME/CFS after being hit with glandular fever when I was about 12, hasn't gone away unfortunately 25 years later. Every time I catch a virus (which seems to be a lot!) it just knocks me back. Getting Covid the first time back in 2021 really hit me hard and I've not recovered to where I was before that.

Pacing seems to be the only coping strategy that helps me, took years to get that right at the start and I often overdid things and ended up in bed for weeks after. Now everything is planned in advance (where possible), rest the days leading up to doing something, and plan plenty of rest afterwards.

 

[MickyMook]

I haven't read the full thread but I thought I'd chime in and maybe repeat some advice. I have in the past battled with exactly what you describe. There are many factors that could be affecting this, but the first thing I would consider is your sleep quality.

It's perfectly possible to be asleep but not resting, if that makes sense. I have had issues with sleep all through my life and have done the sleep study thing with with cables stuck all over me to see what i get up to.

The first thing I would do is take a multivitamin. just to help address any deficiencies. The next thing is would I try to do is look at my diet and alcohol intake. Chemicals, including alcohol, sleep meds and caffeine are the enemy of good sleep. These are the low hanging fruit.

The next, and probably the most important thing I'd look at is "sleep hygiene." If you are in bed asleep for 8 hours but only getting an hour of deep sleep then you might as well not bother. so.. cut out booze for a while, no screens before bed, wind down an hour before a predetermined bedtime, where you do a relaxing activity and don't think about work, and get up at your alarm. I have found that a lumie alarm can help sometimes.

Finally, there is the stress factor. It's less straightforward and everyone is different. I would strongly discourage the pub - not because I don't like the pub, but because alcohol messes with your sleep and is a depressant. Also, depending on your personality, you may find that you unwind by socialising or confiding in someone, or that you are better taking yourself away and getting your head showered alone.

I hope that this helps.

 

[primmiemoo]

I developed ME/CFS after being hit with glandular fever when I was about 12, hasn't gone away unfortunately 25 years later. Every time I catch a virus (which seems to be a lot!) it just knocks me back. Getting Covid the first time back in 2021 really hit me hard and I've not recovered to where I was before that.

Pacing seems to be the only coping strategy that helps me, took years to get that right at the start and I often overdid things and ended up in bed for weeks after. Now everything is planned in advance (where possible), rest the days leading up to doing something, and plan plenty of rest afterwards.

I remember the first time when feeling as though walking through tar whilst in thick fog changed to a feeling of walking through treacle in slightly less thick fog. I can also remember beginning to regain reading skills. Somebody asked if I could follow a whodunit on the telly, and then couldn’t understand that whilst I could, just about, I really couldn't read anything written at that level. Bits of the brain that deal with reading and writing became overwhelmed with tiredness. Still struggle to read music and transport timetables. Filling in online forms isn't easy.

 

[Sicknote]

I remember the first time when feeling as though walking through tar whilst in thick fog changed to a feeling of walking through treacle in slightly less thick fog. I can also remember beginning to regain reading skills. Somebody asked if I could follow a whodunit on the telly, and then couldn’t understand that whilst I could, just about, I really couldn't read anything written at that level. Bits of the brain that deal with reading and writing became overwhelmed with tiredness. Still struggle to read music and transport timetables. Filling in online forms isn't easy.

Similar here, reading I can’t concentrate on, struggle with audiobooks too. Slightly less bad with TV, some things I have to rewatch to get it especially if they talk fast.

 

[Hilly]

Given the constant shyte getting flung at farmers by dicks like goldsmith etc, the pisspoor prices for last twelve months, pisspoor weather, its no wonder farmers are ready for a lie down.
The constant denigration of a great industry is pretty wearing to those who have devoted their entire lives to it.

100% correct !

 

[milkloss]

As I understand it Type 1 and Type 2 are very different.

As I also understand it, Type 2 Pre-Diabetes means that your Insulin has become resistant/not as effective as good as it was at dealing with blood sugar, but can still be relatively easily reversed compared to fully T2 Diabetic.

In the UK we use a different HdA1c scale to measure it compared to the US and most of the rest of the world.
If you level is 41 or below, you are considered normal
From 42 to 47, you are considered Pre-Diabetic
48 and above you are considered fully Diabetic.

I agree with you that saying somebody is Pre T2D is a bit like saying somebody is partially pregnant!
There ain‘t no such thing.
However the Diabetes is a major cost to the NHS and if they can more easily prevent it by catching it early, the better.

Explained well.

So back to the eye sight. Hba1c measures blood sugars across the last three months prior to the test. What it doesn’t see is spikes in blood glucose.

high blood glucose levels causes the lens of the eye to swell and affect focus. This is only transient, other issues (which I can assure you I am well aware of) develop over longer term poor control.

have you thought about trying a libre2 continuous blood glucose monitor? It lasts two weeks so maybe a week before holiday for a base reading and then whilst you’re away. Would be interesting to see if your eye related tiredness could be down to diet (blood glucose)/activity.

 

[johnb5555]

I developed ME/CFS after being hit with glandular fever when I was about 12, hasn't gone away unfortunately 25 years later. Every time I catch a virus (which seems to be a lot!) it just knocks me back. Getting Covid the first time back in 2021 really hit me hard and I've not recovered to where I was before that.

Pacing seems to be the only coping strategy that helps me, took years to get that right at the start and I often overdid things and ended up in bed for weeks after. Now everything is planned in advance (where possible), rest the days leading up to doing something, and plan plenty of rest afterwards.

Damn, I've had it 3 years, hoped it might go away in 5-10 years.
Yeah any cold/virus I catch also wipes me out